What happens when Koh steals your face? (9 posts)

  • AgentNebraska

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    said 3 years, 10 months ago

    I was thinking about this recently because my FanFic has been delayed for a couple of reasons creatively, one of those being Koh. I have found that I know very little about Koh and I also don’t have any strong feelings about anything Koh-related. However, the biggest problem for me is, what happens when Koh steals a human’s face?


    Koh, The Face Stealer

    Scientifically speaking, if Koh were to physically steal your face, you would die almost instantly, due to the fact that you can’t perform cellular respiration because you cannot acquire oxygen through your mouth or nose (because they’re gone). However, the stealing of a face is a spiritual action, so it would be able to bypass the laws of biological science, right?

    My main point of evidence is the faceless monkey that Aang encounters outside Koh’s lair while journeying through the spirit world to find information to help the Moon and Ocean spirits (Book 1 Finale).

    Faceless Monkey
    Curly-tailed Blue Nose Encountered Outside of Koh’s Lair

    This monkey has no openings whatsoever that would allow it to breathe, yet it is moving and living all the same. Is this viable proof that a human would be able to live for a while after having his/her face stolen? However, there is no indication of when the primate had its face stolen, so this brings out the topic of hunger. The monkey would not be able to eat, yet this monkey lives in the Spirit World, where common resources for life may not be an obligation. The afflicted human would also have no way to ingest food, however, due to the lack of a mouth, so would they starve/die of thirst after a few days?

    All of these are largely capable discussion topics, but there is one more I would like to add. In the recent release of The Search, Part 2, the writers introduced an ancient spirit known as the Mother of Faces, who has the power to give a person a new face (the source of the faces is so far undetermined, see The Search Part 2 discussion forum here).

    Mother of Faces
    The Mother of Faces

    My question is, would the Mother of Faces have any encounters with Koh that were supportive/hostile? Or do they have sort of a Librarian/Didact relationship as in the Halo Series (married, yet have an everlasting hostility between them due to opposite views)?

    Any thoughts?

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  • jwilliamson1987

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    said 3 years, 10 months ago

    Great post @AgentNebraska. I am very curious about this as well. Koh is one of my favorite spirits, partially because there is so much we don’t know about him, and there is a lot of mystery. When I saw The Mother of Faces, I KNEW there had to be some connection!

    I am really hoping there is some discussion about a connection. I think it might be a sort of check and balance, yin and yang if you will, like the moon and ocean spirits. Koh can take a face, while The Mother of Faces can give one back.

    As far as what happens to someone/thing who has lost their face, I think we can assume that the spirit world is the place where the non-living reside. That monkey could have either lost its face in the real world then passed to the spirit world without one, or lost it as a result of encountering Koh in the spirit world after it passed naturally?

    I also think it is safe to assume that if you lost your face in the real world, you would die. Case in point was the story of Koh taking Ummi’s face, the fiancée of Avatar Kuruk. This destroyed Kuruk emotionally, leading me to believe she had died.

    Just my thoughts… Any others???

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    said 3 years, 10 months ago

    Slight spoilers for The Search Part 2

    Rafa is the interesting case, he is trapped between life and death after some event disfigured his face. For me this has to be him getting his face stolen by Koh, why else could he not be healed at all or why can’t he eat, yet remain alive if he is not like that Monkey under the mask.

    I assume that since Koh with Kuruk, punished him for not doing his job as the Avatar, I assume there is no worse punishment than being kept alive with no face. Unable to really sense things, with the only cure The Mother of faces.

    It is interesting. I am hoping for Koh’s line to be valid for him “Push and Pull, Yin and Yang, Life and Death, Tui and La, Koh and The Mother Of Faces”

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  • AgentNebraska

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    said 3 years, 10 months ago

    @jwilliamson1987

    Those were my thoughts exactly on the whole Kuruk situation, but then I rewatched the extra thing on between Books 2 and 3 where Aang talks to the past Avatars (blanking on the name), and it looks like if Koh steals your face, he first takes you into the Spirit World and does it there and doesn’t release you back into the physical world. With that in mind, remember that Ummi’s body could still be alive and well, since she lives in the Spirit World now, although incapable of doing anything her face previously had allowed her to do (which would be a terrible existence, IMO).

    There is that possibility, or there is the possibility that Koh didn’t steal her face right off from her, but he instead just captured her and is keeping her in his cave, as (correct me if I’m wrong) I don’t remember hearing Kuruk say he stole her face, just that he took her away from him. It’s quite tricky but that could be the actual outcome of his whole operation with Ummi and Kuruk.

    Either way, it’s still totally up for discussion. I would also love to hear more about the Mother of Faces, but I suppose that will have to wait for The Search: Part 3 for more information. The idea of balance is interesting though, as all the ancient beings declare that the Worlds have to be at equilibrium no matter what, just like how the killing of the Moon Spirit wouldn’t just affect the Water Tribe, but also the whole world.

    @airspeed
    I completely forgot about Rafa, who probably did get his face stolen by Koh. It would make sense that they’re looking for the Mother of Faces to counteract Koh’s curse.

    Hehe I chuckled at that last quote. Although “Mother of Faces” doesn’t have quite the ring that the others do :P.

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    said 3 years, 9 months ago

    Well, If I were Koh I’d draw Epic Faces on everyone who’s face I stole. But I’m guessing he gives them to The Mother Of Faces as a wedding ring but she gives it to someone and loses it so Koh has to get a new “Wedding Face”.

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    said 3 years, 9 months ago

    @jwilliamson1987 They must be married!

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    said 3 years, 9 months ago

    @redcoat HAHA! well, we will see about that!

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    said 3 years, 7 months ago

    @redcoat with The Search Part 3, we know exactly the connection now… So good! WOW!

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    said 2 years, 2 months ago

    Interesting

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