All the hate on LOK (131 posts)

  • AgentNebraska

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    Lately, I’ve been seeing A LOT of reviews saying that The Legend of Korra “sucked” or “was terrible” or “could’ve been better” and most of them are placing the blame on Mike and Bryan for two main reasons. One, they say that their new format (around 13 30-minute long episodes per season) is rushed and takes away from the plot development. This, I kind of agree with, but more on that later. Two, which I don’t get, is they say Mike and Bryan are bad writers. I mean, there would be no show without them anyways, and The Legend of Korra was written pretty well, IMO. My question is this. Actually two. First of all, when did people start hating LOK? This is seriously the first I’ve heard and by the looks of it, it must have been going on for a while. Also, do you agree with these points? Why or why not?

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  • Julla

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    @agentnebraska
    Honestly, I’ve seen far worse written. I even “unliked” a Page bc the individuals were being so disrespectful.

    I know folks might get angry w me, but I feel that the LOK season finale was rushed. As someone who has written academically for many years, I’ve written stuff that was rushed and stuff that ended well, so I can tell the difference.
    It would be one thing if they knew they had other seasons in the works, but this was written with the belief that LOK would only be one season. It really bothered me that so many major things were resolved in the last five minutes.

    I feel they could have better developed the characters, but with the short time frame issued by Nick, that would’ve meant cutting out characters.

    Despite my aforementioned comments, I liked LOK. Did it compare to ATLA’s level of development? It can’t bc ATLA was already guaranteed for three seasons prior to production.

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    Paging @tracycruze !

  • emaralez

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    IMHO it is a way to this people become famous or just to attract attention by “barking at an Elephant”

    you can scatter stones, but 1 book of ATLA for my taste was “deflating” that does not stop me from loving series as a whole and does not detract from their importance in my eyes. LOK, in turn, to my taste overly “spicy,” but it’s just a snack ;)

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    Well actually they knew from fairly early on in production that they would be having at least Book 2, and they are splitting it more as Book 1 and 2 as Season 1 and 3 and 4 as another.
    So they had a lot of time to make any adjustments to the story. So while the Book 1 storyline may have been slightly rushed at the end, though really it lacked only some further explanation.

    It could just be me, but if it was just these 12 episodes that we got, I do not think it works at all as a whole series, for me it is clear that there is more to come.

    And we all have to remember that now Korra still has 40 more episodes to come out, it is going to have a different format to ATLA, 4 separate story arcs as opposed to ATLA’s 1 big one over 3 books.
    So there is so much time left to develop characters.

    Look at book two we already know we are getting more Asami and Bolin development, who are the two who need it the most. Makorra will be developed further.

    I don’t think it is entirely fair to judge all of Korra on 12/52 episodes, it is easy to look back at ATLA on 61/61 episodes and say the characters are developed more, especially when it has Book 1 formatted with development in mind, when Korra Book 1 has a whole story to tell while introducing us to the characters.

    Quite simply I think too many people put ATLA up on a pedestal as this perfect show that Korra can never hope to come anywhere near. It is less the complaints about Korra and more the thought that ATLA is a perfect show, the attitude of setting in stone that ATLA will always be the best….just because it came first. You know it is bad when you have people saying Korra is not animated as well as ATLA, which is pretty laughable.

    Avatar G1′ers, I believe I even made a thread very close to Korra being announced where I predicted this, obvious as it was to happen.

    At the end of the day nothing is perfect, book 1 is not perfect, but Korra as a series has so many more episodes to develop as a show. ATLA is not perfect and the comics are helping to improve that, look at Ozai coming out as a character really in The Promise.

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  • AwesomeBender

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    I just get so mad when i read stuff like that, yes the finale was a little rushed but other than that it was flawless it was just perfect in my opinion i mean I´d rather have a rushed finale than a slow finale where nothing happens.

    When I heard Korra was coming I thought it was going to be pretty good and it lived up to my expectations times 20!

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    @awesomebender said:
    …it lived up to my expectations times 20!

    Woo! :D

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    Yea I´m serious I thought this could be a good show and now look it has taken over my life, I´m on this site everyday and so are most of you.

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    I just don’t get all the Korra hate. People need to realize that it is not going to be the same as ATLA. We should all be thankful that we get to have this show, seeing that we all were missing new ATLA episodes so much. I’m beyond glad that we get to dive back into the Avatar world. Korra isn’t perfect, but I still loved it and can’t wait for Book 2 to come out. :)

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    said 10 months, 3 weeks ago

    @julla Yeah I’ve seen much worse but I tend to stay away from those altogether. Most of those are just opinions with no arguments. I do agree that the limited format took away from many aspects, a big one being Makorra. And they also didn’t express Korra’s struggle as good as they could’ve. Some people also don’t like how long probending lasted, either.

    @airspeed Buut on the other hand I completely agree with your point. You can’t judge it all on one season. You don’t see people hating on ATLA for not developing Aang enough in the first season. We still have three more seasons to go but people are complaining about how people weren’t developed enough? That to me is pretty ridiculous. And people were complaining about how probending didn’t last, even after SDCC this year. Pro-bending is definitely not gone but people are saying that it was a waste of time and just bad writing. And there is also the point of Korra “not living up to ATLA’s standards,” but that’s just not true. ATLA was a very good show but because of these G1ers raising it up so high, it was almost like they didn’t give LOK a chance, regardless of the incompleteness of the show anyway.

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    said 10 months, 2 weeks ago

    The thing about the bad writers thing is that i hear they are better artists than writers, and that in the original series they had more writers supervising them, which they are doing for book 2 of korra, hence they did not do TOO well a job but still an ok job.

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    said 10 months, 2 weeks ago

    @saladin Yeah, that’s what I was thinking too. I mean it wasn’t terribly written but it was awkwardly paced, and some other problems that were mentioned before. If they have Aaron Ehasz in a lot I think it would feel a lot more smooth and well-done.

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    said 10 months, 2 weeks ago

    A:LOK was amazing. I loved it and I still love it and I love rewatching episodes over and over and over. I love sharing it with anyone and everyone, and I will display it with pride right next to my A:TLA box sets when I own it.

    However…. I have a few problems with it.

    First, the Avatar State.
    It never activated. Bryan, Mike, and Avatar Roku all described the Avatar State as a defense mechanism that would activate whenever the Avatar is in extreme physical or emotional stress. Aang had absolutely no idea what it was, and it activated when he fell into the ocean during the storm, to preserve him in an iceberg. He still had no idea what it was when it activated when Zuko pushed him off the ship into the ocean. After that he understood it better; he knew it would work, but he still had no idea what it was or how to do anything with it on his own until Book 2. And yet it still activated, multiple times, whenever he was in extreme physical or emotional stress.
    It didn’t work like that for Korra. Sure, she had no spiritual training, but I don’t think that’s an excuse. Its activation should not depend on training or knowledge. In my opinion, it should have activated many times during the series. During her confrontation with Amon at Aang Memorial Island in “The Voice in the Night” being the first probable time. I don’t think she’d been in that much emotional stress ever before in her life, and she thought she was going to lose her bending right then and there. She was absolutely terrified. I don’t understand why it didn’t happen right then. Other times when she could’ve entered it, though possibly less convenient for the story, are (a) when Tarrlok is arresting Mako, Bolin, and Asami (emotional stress), (b) when she’s falling from the Equalists’ wires after their attack on the Pro-Bending Arena, (c) after she woke up from her dream of being attacked by Chi Blockers on Air Temple Island (possibly just a flash of eyes glowing), (d) seeing Amon’s face on the tapestry when invading the Chi Blocker training as part of Tarrlok’s Task Force (again, possibly just a flash of eyes glowing), (e) when being bloodbended by Tarrlok the first time, and (f), most importantly, when seeing Amon about to take Mako’s bending away.

    Which brings me to my second problem, her airbending.
    The first two episodes gave me a huge amount of hope. It showed her struggling at first, especially with that wonderful spinning gadget she had to “BE THE LEAF!” through; I thought that was perfect. And then when they used Pro-Bending to demonstrate her using her talent and learning, I thought that was great as well.
    But that’s where it ended.
    Sure, they showed her practicing her moves and still going through training device a couple more times, but that’s IT. Other than that, it was acknowledged how much she was NOT learning. She kept asking Tenzin for advice on why her learning was going NOwhere, and when Tarrlok confronted her on it as Saikhan was promoted to Chief in Beifong’s leave, they showed once more how utterly little she had improved. She looked so crestfallen, so defeated, in admitting she had made NO progress when answering Tarrlok. This would have been fine if they planned some other event, something spiritual or free or in the airbending frame of mind, to help her overcome it. But no… instead, they waited till the very last episode to suddenly “unlock” her airbending. The reason she unlocks it wasn’t in the airbender frame of mind; it was simply because she had no other “weapon” to use, and because she was saving her crush from losing his own bending (more of a selfish reason in my mind). She did not use it in the airbender frame of mine; she still used very firebender-like movements, which could possibly be excused by the dire situation but I still didn’t like that. And lastly, I don’t feel like airbending should be able to be “unlocked” at all. That’s not how bending works. It needs to be slowly mastered and understood. Like I said above, I think it would make far more sense for her to have entered the Avatar State at that point.

    Finally, my last problem was what Aang did at the end.
    Sure, I’m fine with the fact that he showed up. I’m in fact very pleased with the fact that he did– as opposed to airbending, the series had showed a lot of progress she had made in connecting with Aang all along, so that’s great. It showed her flashbacks to him and then finally understanding the flashbacks, all leading up to this point. That’s what I’d want with the airbending. But I digress.
    What I’m completely not okay with is that Aang essentially handed Korra the Avatar State plus mastery of it on a silver platter. Aang, as I discussed above, had activated it many times throughout Books 1 and 2. He gained an understanding of what it was at beginning of Book 2, through contact with Roku. That would have been fine for Korra. At the end of Book 2, he met with the nomad Guru Pathik and spent an entire episode learning all about the Avatar State and preparing his body, physically and mentally, for mastery of it. Korra did nothing even near that. Aang made a mistake in this process, and then over the course of the next episode, understood that mistake and resolved it. Then he meditated, and gained mastery of it. Sure, Azula blocked it physically and he later unblocked it physically, but that’s irrelevant for this comparison. He went through that entire process, having already had a strong point in the spiritual aspect of it and a respect for the power he wielded. And then he goes and just hands it over to Korra, who was still an amateur in Spirituality and had ZERO experience with the Avatar State. And then she could suddenly control it fully. I’m in complete disagreement with this.
    As I said, I’m happy Korra made contact with Aang. She DESERVED that; she’d earned it through experience throughout the season. However, I would have preferred Aang done nothing but perhaps congratulate her on a complete connection with him. That would be an accomplishment worthy of a season finale. Or, if he had to hand her something, maybe grant her wisdom on airbending. Show her what it really means, what the freedom the element represents is really like, flashback on his own training, help her understand something deeper about airbending, to give her that extra nudge to continue her training. Not even grant her mastery– definitely not. Just help her out. That would have been great, IMO, for the season finale. If it had gone like that, she still would not have water, earth, or firebending; she would have been forced to solve her problems with her new airbending, learn to use it better. And learn about the Avatar State more.

    I could also say that I’m also annoyed with the character development of Korra and Bolin through the season, but I won’t rant about that. I’m also ticked off about how Mako treated Asami, and I don’t think that Mako deserves Korra. But I think I’ll just end here.

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    said 10 months, 2 weeks ago

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    1/ She had a spiritual block, which confirmed for Avatar State and Airbending. Which would apply to the defence mechanism Avatar state, look at Aang after Azula killed him and he was brought back to life, he could not use the defence mechanism even if he was in danger as it was blocked.

    2/ Same applies for Airbending, you mention multiple times how she did not do things in the Airbender style, when in fact it was clear to see she was developing. Running from Amon rather than fighting him as she would have in K109, using her cleverness as opposed to strength to avoid being electrocuted in the same episode.
    Sure she never mastered the ability, but the show never stated she did, simply that she unlocked the ability, you even answer your own issue with that it was not the correct form, she was using firebending form effectively.
    In the series she does not really make the big change as a character until Tarrlok calls her out at the end of K108, after this she realises that her style of being the Avatar does need to change and it does, she is definitely changed after this.
    She unlocked the ability because for once she was being selfless, even moreso she did so knowing she had no bending, something that was her whole life, since she was 4 she has known nothing but being the Avatar and bending, we see Naga is her one friend, she is controlled in her training. So so much of her identity is her bending, and for her to lose that and be still willing to try and save someone is a HUGE moment, the key thing is that she did not just not try as she had no bending she tried to save him despite that. Not because she didn’t want Mako to lose his bending, but she didn’t want anything to happen to him, I do not understand the logic behind calling that selfish, she would have been selfish if she did nothing as then it would have been her thinking about her inability to bend at that point.

    3/
    I am not quite sure how to phrase this as many of the things you explain are clearly show in ATLA
    - Energybending uses the Insight Chakra, The Lion Turtle instantly thought Aang Energybending and Aang has done the same for Korra here.
    -Aang activates the defence Mechanism Avatar State for Korra as her eyes stay glowing
    -From the Book 2 info we have we know she does not have mastery of the ability, she learns that from her uncle Unaraq. It just seems that Energybending returning bending uses the Avatar State.
    Nowhere is it stated that Korra has mastered the Avatar State in Book 1, she never even goes into it herself beyond Energybending.

    It may come across as me dismissing everything you have said, but it is in no way meant like that.
    IMO all this stuff was a bit rushed, but worked perfectly fine for me.

    Mike and Bryan have even said it themselves in interviews, Korra was never going to be all about Korra training we have seen most of the training we need in ATLA. It was and going forward into the next 3 books going to be about a fully realised Avatar in terms of knowing the 4 elements and the Avatar State, but learning to respect that power and how to really be the important person in the world that keeps balance.
    Aang never wanted to be the Avatar, but in the end was perfectly suited for it in terms of his approach, Korra wants to be the Avatar, but is going to have to develop as a character to be that Avatar she wants to be.

    Her unlocking her Airbending and her spiritual side was the perfect way to show her development over the book. We know she masters these abilities in the 6 months between Book 1 and 2.

  • Ricardo

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    said 10 months, 2 weeks ago

    @liquifator In addition to what Airspeed Prime has said, air is also a spiritual element. Korra’s spiritual block also had an impact on her ability to airbend, and thus performing a selfless act unlocked her airbending.

    @liquifator said:
    I could also say that I’m also annoyed with the character development of Korra and Bolin through the season, but I won’t rant about that. I’m also ticked off about how Mako treated Asami, and I don’t think that Mako deserves Korra. But I think I’ll just end here.

    Bolin I understand, and he’s getting more character development in Book 2. But why are you annoyed with the development of Korra? In my humble opinion, Korra had the most character development, and you could really see her struggle throughout. Unless this has something to do with her Avatar State and airbending?

    How does Mako not deserve Korra? Just because of the way he treated Asami? Again, IMHO, Mako handled the entire thing very well. Korra had not acknowledged her love for Mako in the beginning, but they both clearly had feelings for each other. This is normal, when people are shy. A pretty girl (Asami) is then flung into his arms, asks him out on a date, gives him presents, and goes in carriage rides with him. It’s only then that Korra announces her love for him. You can see that it makes the situation uncomfortable so Mako lies and says he doesn’t feel the same way. Because Mako knows that going out with Korra and ditching Asami now would be wrong.

    At the end of the Pro-bending tournament semi-finals, Mako realises just how much he loves Korra, and decides to let her know this, but still not go out with her as it’d be wrong. Korra initiates the kiss with Mako, witnessed by Bolin. Later on, Asami asks Bolin if there’s anything going on between the two, and Bolin confesses the kiss. This coupled with Mako’s heightened feelings for Korra as she was taken away by Tarrlok created much tension between the two.

    Mako later then apologises to Asami, but says that he will always care for her. Asami returns the statement.

    Mako then acknowledges his love for Korra. Korra then returns it.

    Mako had also struggled when he was young, and brought up Bolin and himself, by himself. He’s a Pro-bending captain now, and has a job at a powerplant. Korra’s always had people taking care of her.
    If anything, this shows Mako is, as you put it, worthy of Korra, as Mako has the capability to care for both of them.

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