Avatar Online Podcast Special – North and South Part 2 Review

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Avatar Online Podcast Special – North and South Part 2 Review


Morgan (Airspeed Prime) is joined by Kelly (Gemini530) and Greg (Greg2b) to review North and South Part 2. We go through the book page by page analysing it in detail, so grab your copy and read along with us.

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My name is Morgan Bannon, I am a 22 Year old Male from Ireland and I am the Site Super Moderator. I have watched and been a fan of Avatar since it premiered. I am also a news post writer for the site and host the site's podcast, The Avatar Online Podcast. My strength as an Avatar fan would be just a good knowledge of Avatar Canon and characters.

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  1. Rocket Axxonu Said: Comment by Rocket Axxonu on February 13, 2017 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    Ah, the stuffed animal Sokka gets is a snow rat, that’s a good call, I didn’t pick up on that. (There is something pretty amazing about how that fits into everything thematically, especially where the moment is placed, kind of acting as foreshadowing to what happens next.)

    Lol, Katara doing the Naruto run. xD (I’m pretty sure that didn’t cross my mind when I was first reading, but I’ll probably think of that every time I read the comic from here after. xD! So true.)

    Oh, I’d forgotten that Hakoda made that direct reference to Zuko when defending Malina. I guess it is sort of clear then that that similarity is meant to be a direct parallel, I’ll be interested to see how far they go with that. (I mentioned in a comment on Morgan’s written review before I listened to this podcast I thought there might be an opportunity there for Katara to have a conversation with Zuko that might help her better understand Malina [relating to his thoughts from the events of Smoke and Shadow], but yeah, thinking about it some more, I agree here that it’s more likely that, given the way part 2 ended with Hakoda wanting to talk to Malina, it’ll be something Hakoda says that helps change Katara’s mind. Maybe a little backstory on how his and Malina’s relationship started and developed, and at what point he saw her change and why.)

    Strangely, reading that last conversation between Katara and Malina, and also re-reading it again, I didn’t find it a weaker scene of the book, and actually it came across pretty strong to me. I thought Katara’s reaction made complete sense. Even though we as the readers have been getting cues in the way the narrative is structured that signal to us that Malina can be trusted (from our point of view, based on the Hakoda conversation and other little things, it would just be completely strange if Malina actually turned out to be a flake), Katara doesn’t have access to those cues, and given just how bad Maliq and Malina’s intentions were, the more I looked at it from Katara’s point of view in this scene, the more hollow Malina’s words had to sound here.

    The situation with Zuko—that’s an interesting one in that, even though Zuko is the ultimate example of someone who was able to change in a meaningful and lasting way, for Katara, he was also at one time an example of the kind of change Katara is describing with Malina. At the end of Season 2, he did appear to have ‘changed,’ but a lot of that change was actually the result of perhaps him wanting to please his uncle, and he didn’t have deep convictions of his own yet, and when it came down to that one critical decision, he ultimately went with what his old self had wanted. Zuko’s journey to really change was a long and arduous one, and Zuko had to really prove himself before Katara was willing to trust him and think of him as a friend.

    I think it makes sense with Malina that Katara would be extremely reluctant to trust her after what she found out (especially given that Malina’s ‘betrayal’ was lying and misleading the people of the south, proving that she has a talent for making herself convincing when she wants to), and feeling that trusting her might put them in a situation that could turn out like the end of Season 2.

    It is also true Katara was kind of mean in this scene, maybe unnecessarily so, but I did feel that was completely in character for her. (Although we see Katara as the compassionate one of the group, we’ve seen many times that her emotions can sometimes make her the nastiest, too. In spite of her usual compassion, Katara did go behind the others’ backs and threaten to kill Zuko if he slipped up when he first joined up with the group, and also accused Sokka of not loving their mother as much as she did just because he was against the idea of going out to get revenge, among other things.) Those conflicting aspects of Katara’s personality are part of what make her such an interesting character for me.

    But also, I liked the way things played out in that Katara’s attitude gave Malina an opportunity for a pretty strong scene there. Malina’s acceptance of Katara’s anger, ‘No, I get it,’ I think really helped show that Malina does truly understand how her thoughts and plans at the beginning constituted a very hurtful betrayal of the Southern People. For me, this was a much stronger indicator of the depth of Malina’s new understanding than anything she might have said if Katara had let her continue after ‘It goes deeper than that.’

    But, I’ll also admit that I just preferred the second book end on a note of continued emotional tension, rather than everyone understanding one another and getting along. I like having that sense that there is still something in the relationships and Katara’s personal journey that is still unresolved and needs to be addressed in the last segment, rather than have the solution be too easy. (And again, given Katara’s character and the circumstances, I think for her to be too understanding of Malina at this point definitely would have felt too easy.)

    The only small part of the book that I did feel maybe felt unnatural and maybe a little forced was after Gran-Gran’s words of wisdom that, ‘Wrong actions come from wrong beliefs.’ When Sokka identifies Gilak as being the one who needs to rethink his views, Katara immediately comes back kind of forcefully that it’s Malina and Maliq who are in the wrong. I did find this a little odd, given that in the previous scene Gilak had just stabbed Hakoda. (But, I think it is clear there that what they’re going for is that Katara’s views on Gilak are about like Sokka’s on Malina and Maliq, in that she feels his methods are wrong and extreme, but she still fundamentally agrees that the South needs to be protected from the North. It just initially felt odd, given that she doesn’t really explain that, so I’m wondering if that was a segment they were struggling to get everything into the allotted space.)
    Anyway, completely loved the book, and definitely looking forward to the next one. (I couldn’t believe when I was looking at the dates on Amazon, and it was only three months instead of four.) Thanks again for doing these podcasts~As always, I’m so glad someone is doing this, I feel like the comics are just so good they deserve these more in-depth looks and analyses. Looking forward to the next one! :3


  2. Hyriu 85 Said: Comment by Hyriu 85 on February 18, 2017 at 2:20 am | Permalink

    Really great podcast guys!!! I really liked how in depth you got and analyzed everything. Overall I have a similar opinion. It was a good book with some really great scenes and character moments but there were also a few spots that didn’t quite sell it. And yeah bringing Zuko and Kuei into the mix is kind of odd and if Chief Arnook isn’t t here then why are they? I suppose it’ll all work out in part 3. 😀



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